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[alldaygb]

Jan 3, 2013 15:38:34 GMT -5 repole said:

lol not to mention Camby was one of their few competent defenders in general.


The Blazers aren't full rebuild, saying that is foolish, but they're also at the very least retooling. By no means should wins/losses define their season, they're looking to acquire assets and build the value of their roster.

Their offense is pretty solid at this point. They really need a defensive anchor though, an Aldridge+Hickson frontcourt does not work defensively.

I didn't call them a great team, they aren't rebuilding though. There's a difference between a middle of the road team (Blazers/T-Wolves) those type of teams can make the playoffs one year, miss the playoffs the next. A rebuilding team is a team that doesn't have many pieces to work with, (Charlotte/Sacremento) having to rely on the draft to land them a star player, that's simply not what the Blazers are doing. The blazers could have easily fixed that bench by adding a few role players and been a top 6 team in a tough west. a team with that starting lineup is just not rebuilding, they're just stuck in the middle of the road, they can make the playoffs this year with that team. Plenty of teams with good starting units and weak benches in the league, those teams aren't rebuilding.

[ilovebball]

Bravo. That is at least an 8 IMVHO. You could argue 10

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lol if he doesnt get fined for that.

[Broph]

Jan 3, 2013 14:46:54 GMT -5 alldaygb said:

Jan 3, 2013 0:58:27 GMT -5 Broph said:

lol at lucked, no, it was far more likely they got the pick than didnt, and they chose Lillard, targeted him from the start...so yeah

Portland gutted their bench, let Felton go, traded Camby, Wallace, and didnt sign anybody for the bench...in the rotation are 5 rookies...Barton Leonard Freeland Claver, and yes, Lillard...if thats not a rebuild, wtf is.

Yes, they are winning, too much, but Batum Lillard Aldridge is a real nice first three, Matthews is solid too..

Camby never made an impact on that team (3.8 points, 8.9 rebounds 1.4 blocks. You can easily get that production out of any mediocre to decent big in the league.), they replaced Wallace with Batum having a bigger role and Wallace just happened to be the guy they got Lillard with, so 2 for 1 their. You mean Felton the guy you were just dogging earlier in this thread, and you claim him to be such a big loss? Please the guy sucked before this year and you got a better PG anyway. Crawford had his worst season with you guys, Blazers were more than happy to let him go.

Let me tell you what you did get, JJ Hickson(guy only played 19 games for you guys last season, already eclipsed the production he gave you last year averaging 12/10 so far this season.) Bigger production out of Batum, great production out of your rookie PG. as for those 5 rookies in your rotation(I wouldn't call it much of a rotation) they barely play. 3 of your starters play 37+ mpg, Matthews plays 34 and Hickson plays 28. The only one of those other rookies besides Lillard who plays significant minutes is Leonard a big man who they expect big things out of when they start feeding him more minutes. Claver/Freeland haven't even played more than 17 games so I wouldn't consider that being part of the rotation, more like they play in certain spots. This does not equal a rebuilding team. If the were rebuilding, Aldridge would be gone.

see thats where I know you are clueless, Camby did his 8.9 boards in 22 minutes per game, and was near tops in the league in Rebound rate, his per 36 minutes numbers were an absurd 6 points 14.3 boards 2.3 blocks 1.3 steals, 3 assists, he was a great post combo with Aldridge, as his passing setup alot of assists. On the other hand, he was old, Portland was doing nothing, so they dealt him. They dealt Gerald as part of the rebuilding effort, for a first, they dont have their first if they finish in the playoffs. As for the rookies thing, this has developed over the last few weeks, yes, Stotts is riding the starters into the ground, but look at the ages of the players then, Lillard 22, Mathews 26. Batum 24, Aldridge 27, Hickson 24, Babbit is 23, Barton 22, Leonard 20, they got Jeffries all but one vet (Ronnie Price) in various dump moves in the offseason, the one real move being they signed Ronnie Price. Had they acquired Hibbert, they would not have rebuilt, but obviously Indy matched, so they are now.

As for Claver, he moved into the rotation recently, but is averaging 13 minutes per game for the season, and really a bit more than that. Barton has played in 27 games, averaging 10 minutes a game, Leonard is obviously in the rotatiuon. Freeland struggled majorly at the beginnning of the year, but now he is getting more playing time, and still averages 10+ minutes a game since he started getting time. Portland is seeing what they have with their young players, thats the goal right now, its as much a rebuilld (which doesnt necessarily constitute what you are thinking...of the players that played at the start of last season, Portland has exactly thre

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Worst though is trying to say look at guys who played similar minutes on Camby...Camby played 22 minutes per game ffs, clearly never even paid attention to the minutes

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and Portland loves Hickson right now, but they have absolutely no Defensive presence down low, something Camby could provide

[alldaygb]

Jan 3, 2013 17:23:47 GMT -5 Broph said:

Worst though is trying to say look at guys who played similar minutes on Camby...Camby played 22 minutes per game ffs, clearly never even paid attention to the minutes

I aknoowledged he played 22 minutes per game, what do you think there aren't guys playing those type of minutes averging those type of numbers? Do yourself a favor and go look. Camby is old, what he gave you gave was exactly what he was going to be per 36 numbers are to project what they would be if they played 36 minutes, a guy as old as Camby wont play 36 minutes per game it's not happening.

Javale Mcgee (20 mpg 10/6/1.6)
Tristan Thompson (23 mpg 8/7/1)
Kenneth Faried (22 mpg 10/8/1)
Spencer Hawes (24 mpg 10/7/1.3)
Ed Davis (23 mpg 6/7/1)
Amir Johnson (24 mpg 7/6/1)
Nikola Pekovic (26 mpg 13/7)
Derrick Favors (21 mpg 8/6.5/1)
Taj Gibson (20 mpg 7/5/1.3)
Samuel Dalembert (22 mpg 7.5/7/1.7)
Drew Gooden (26 mpg 13/6.5)
Ersan Ilyasova (27 mpg 13/9}
Ekpe Udoh (20 mpg 5/5/1.6)
DeAndre Jordan (27 mpg 7/8/2)
Carl Landry (24 mpg 12/5)
Jason Thompson (25 mpg 9/7)
James Johnson ( 25 mpg 9/5/1/1)
Udonis Haslem (24 mpg 6/7)
Trevor Booker (25 mpg 8/6.5/1/1)
Dejuan Blair (21 mpg 9.5/5.5/1)
Tiago Splitter (19 mpg 9/5/1)
Darrell Arther (20 mpg 9/4/1/1)
Mareese Speights (22 mpg 9/6)
Omer Asik (14 mpg 3/5/1)

So that's 24 players who played similar minutes and got a similar statline. Plenty more players who produced at the same rate if you want to look at per 36 numbers again. I rest my case

[Treasure Island]

yeah knicks suck.

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Jan 3, 2013 1:01:37 GMT -5 Broph said:

Jan 2, 2013 11:04:31 GMT -5 @play34 said:

lol @ you keep using that bullshit rebuilding excuse....Any time you lose to a shitty team you always say the Blazers are rebuilding but when you beat good teams you wanna puff your chest out.

There is no way a team with LaMarcus Aldridge, Wes Matthews and Nic Batum is a rebuilding team.

If the Knicks are that good, they can lose to Portland fine, but they got dominated from the start, tried to pull a late rally, but couldnt finish (and I mean real late).

If one game means that much the Knicks are now an amazing team beating the Spurs by 20+

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people try to paint a general picture based off one or two games way too often.

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Jan 3, 2013 18:22:40 GMT -5 alldaygb said:

Jan 3, 2013 17:23:47 GMT -5 Broph said:

Worst though is trying to say look at guys who played similar minutes on Camby...Camby played 22 minutes per game ffs, clearly never even paid attention to the minutes

I aknoowledged he played 22 minutes per game, what do you think there aren't guys playing those type of minutes averging those type of numbers? Do yourself a favor and go look. Camby is old, what he gave you gave was exactly what he was going to be per 36 numbers are to project what they would be if they played 36 minutes, a guy as old as Camby wont play 36 minutes per game it's not happening.

Javale Mcgee (20 mpg 10/6/1.6)
Tristan Thompson (23 mpg 8/7/1)
Kenneth Faried (22 mpg 10/8/1)
Spencer Hawes (24 mpg 10/7/1.3)
Ed Davis (23 mpg 6/7/1)
Amir Johnson (24 mpg 7/6/1)
Nikola Pekovic (26 mpg 13/7)
Derrick Favors (21 mpg 8/6.5/1)
Taj Gibson (20 mpg 7/5/1.3)
Samuel Dalembert (22 mpg 7.5/7/1.7)
Drew Gooden (26 mpg 13/6.5)
Ersan Ilyasova (27 mpg 13/9}
Ekpe Udoh (20 mpg 5/5/1.6)
DeAndre Jordan (27 mpg 7/8/2)
Carl Landry (24 mpg 12/5)
Jason Thompson (25 mpg 9/7)
James Johnson ( 25 mpg 9/5/1/1)
Udonis Haslem (24 mpg 6/7)
Trevor Booker (25 mpg 8/6.5/1/1)
Dejuan Blair (21 mpg 9.5/5.5/1)
Tiago Splitter (19 mpg 9/5/1)
Darrell Arther (20 mpg 9/4/1/1)
Mareese Speights (22 mpg 9/6)
Omer Asik (14 mpg 3/5/1)

So that's 24 players who played similar minutes and got a similar statline. Plenty more players who produced at the same rate if you want to look at per 36 numbers again. I rest my case

hrm, so, all I see is that Kenneth Faried is really good (yep, true), Omer Asik has been great this year...and none of the others did similar rebounding numbers at all, please, go back and list the guys in that list doing 14+ rebounds per 36, feel free, you cant find many at all, if any

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Camby was a huge defensive presence for Portland as well, and a great fit next to Aldridge with his high post passing, idiotic to act like his stats were a dime a dozen

[I'm Different]

Jan 3, 2013 13:13:27 GMT -5 Long 2's said:

watching Calderon absolutely work him a couple weeks ago sealed it for me.

oh no one game where an nba vet schools someone means the young guy is garbage! at 23 years old, being outplayed by someone whos been a pro since he was in middle school, never ever gonna get better.

look what calderon did to irving the very next game and STFU

[I'm Different]

before you faggots twist my words, no im not comparing lin to irving

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actually, Ill just settle it, among guys that played more than 17 minutes total on the season, or more than three games, Camby led the league in rebounding per 36, plus had the size to effect shots and defend down low

[alldaygb]

Jan 3, 2013 22:32:03 GMT -5 Broph said:

Camby was a huge defensive presence for Portland as well, and a great fit next to Aldridge with his high post passing, idiotic to act like his stats were a dime a dozen

I just proved to you they were, the point was the statline he put forth was nothing special. 24 guys with similar production in similar minutes. I didn't saying they would be the exact same in each catagory. Alot of those guys did better offensively than he did last season, but you continue to lean on Camby as if he actually played 36 minutes per game, it didn't happen and it wouldn't happen this season if they still had him. 24 guys, could fill Camby's spot on the Trailblazers. Reason I put Asik in there is if the Blazers went after him they could have got him and I bet you he would do a better job then Camby did. Per 36 numbers are meaningless when it comes to who plays how many minutes, solid minutes. If you look at all of their per 36 numbers they are comparible if not better(since you want to hang your head on Per36 so much, such a useless stat)

[alldaygb]

not to mention alot of them are ahead of him in per 36 blocks (once again useless to me, but seems to be the only stat you care for)

[alldaygb]

just take a look at those 24 guys (among others and just compare Camby, he'd have a slight edge in rebounding on some of them, some of them would get him in blocks, alot of them would just blow him out in scoring)

[alldaygb]

and to be clear my point was that he isn't the difference between a rebuilding team and a middle of the road team, the team improved in key positions as well as sacrificed their bench, that statline isn't anything out of this world as it stands. If they had the option to give Camby a bigger role, they surely would have. But he's too old to withstand that kind of role, which makes losing him not that big of a deal

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Jan 3, 2013 23:11:29 GMT -5 alldaygb said:

and to be clear my point was that he isn't the difference between a rebuilding team and a middle of the road team, the team improved in key positions as well as sacrificed their bench, that statline isn't anything out of this world as it stands. If they had the option to give Camby a bigger role, they surely would have. But he's too old to withstand that kind of role, which makes losing him not that big of a deal

the team drafted Lillard, that he has been great, does not change the fact that they planned on making him the starter, and rolling with it, they are rebuilding, they just improved because Lillards been great, and Felton was awful, Gerald was considered all last season an upgrade over Batum, Batum has improved this season massively, but they traded a good player for the rights to a draft pick, thats a rebuilding move. They brought over the players who they have rights to, and are giving their rookies a spot in the rotation, thats a rebuilding move, they dumped Camby (not a dime a dozen), let Felton go, let pretty much every player that was expiring go, except Hickson who they brought back on a one year deal. Hickson too has massively improved. Its a rebuilding team thats overperforming because of improvements by the players, not because of improvements made via free agency or trades. not to mention they have played the easiest schedule thus far, and will be playing the most difficult schedule from here on out. Ronnie Price, Jared Jeffries, Sasha Pavlovic? yeah, thats not a contending bench, thats filler from offseason dumps and a cheap backup because Nolan smith is not a PG